Legislature(2005 - 2006)BUTROVICH 205

03/16/2005 08:30 AM Senate STATE AFFAIRS


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09:13:07 AM Overview - Department of Corrections Sex Offender Containment Model
10:40:19 AM Adjourn
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Joint w/(S) Judiciary Committee
Department of Corrections:
Sex Offender Containment Model Overview
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 16, 2005                                                                                         
                           9:11 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE JUDICIARY MEMBERS                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ralph Seekins, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                         
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gretchen Guess                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATE STATE AFFAIRS MEMBERS                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gene Therriault, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Thomas Wagoner, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Charlie Huggins                                                                                                         
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview - Department of Corrections Sex Offender Containment                                                                   
Model                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to report                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PORTIA PARKER,                                                                                                                  
Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                             
Department of Corrections                                                                                                       
431 N. Franklin, Suite 400                                                                                                      
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced "Containment Model" presenters                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Kim English, Researcher                                                                                                         
Denver, CO                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  "Containment Model" presenter                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Jeff Jenks, President                                                                                                           
Amich and Jenks Inc.                                                                                                            
Wheatridge, CO                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  "Containment Model" presenter                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Peggy Heil, Therapist                                                                                                           
Colorado Department of Corrections                                                                                              
Colorado Springs, CO                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  "Containment Model" presenter                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR RALPH SEEKINS called the  joint Senate Judiciary and Senate                                                             
State Affairs  meeting to order  at 9:11:58 AM. All  members were                                                             
present during the course of the meeting.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 ^Overview - Department of Corrections Sex Offender Containment                                                             
                             Model                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
PORTIA  PARKER,   Deputy  Commissioner   of  the   Department  of                                                               
Corrections, introduced Kim English, Jeff Jenks, and Peggy Heil.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:13:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM ENGLISH, researcher and Containment  Model expert, noted each                                                               
member  had  a   copy  of  the  slide   presentation  for  future                                                               
reference.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:13:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 7:  Personal and  Social Costs of  Sexual Assault  Are Very                                                               
High.                                                                                                                           
   · More than half of sexual assault victims have been raped                                                                   
     more than once.                                                                                                            
   · People recovering are six times more likely to develop                                                                     
     posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).                                                                                      
   · People recovering are three times more likely to develop                                                                   
     major depression.                                                                                                          
   · People recovering are thirteen times more likely to attempt                                                                
     suicide.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:15:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 8: Alaska's Cost of Victimization.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Slide 9: Only 16 percent of  victims in the Rape in America study                                                               
reported the rape.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator French said if only 16 percent report then what makes                                                                   
you trust the data to come up with the percentage.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ENGLISH explained that researchers extrapolate from a random                                                                
sample of a particular population.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:17:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 10: Who Reports?                                                                                                          
   · Those who don't report:                                                                                                    
        ·   Younger in age and/or they know the perpetrator.                                                                    
   · Those more likely to report:                                                                                               
        ·   Feel there is a life threat.                                                                                        
        ·   Have physical injury.                                                                                               
        ·   Perpetrator a stranger.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:19:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 11: Arrest Rates are Low.                                                                                                 
   · Only 27% of reported sex crimes resulted in an arrest.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:20:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 12: Sex Offender Recidivism Rates are Artificially Low.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 13: Why don't victims report the crime?                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 14 Why Don't Children Report?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Slide 15: Age at Time of Rape.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Slide 16: Adult Victims.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:21:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 17: A goal of the containment model is to obtain and share                                                                
information. Included is a method for accessing as much                                                                         
information about the offender as possible.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:22:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 18: The Containment Approach Containment Policies.                                                                        
   · Polygraph:                                                                                                                 
        ·   Verifies whether or not an offender is complying                                                                    
          with treatment.                                                                                                       
   · Treatment:                                                                                                                 
        ·   Specific and detailed information is collected                                                                      
          on each offender to help:                                                                                             
             · Give   offender   tools   for   changing                                                                         
               behavior.                                                                                                        
             · Obtain information to help prevent                                                                               
               perpetration against new victims.                                                                                
   · Criminal Justice System:                                                                                                   
        ·   Brings together polygraph information and treatment                                                                 
          provider and establishes a web around offender to help                                                                
          him/her to live a non-secret life while not                                                                           
          compromising public safety.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:25:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 19: The Criminal Justice System Provides the Hammer.                                                                      
   · Consequences for Failed Polygraph Examinations Must Be:                                                                    
        ·   Immediate.                                                                                                          
        ·   Linked to the implied risk.                                                                                         
        ·   Include increased surveillance.                                                                                     
        ·   Involve obtaining corroborative information.                                                                        
        ·   Include informing others of poly results.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:26:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 20: Sex Offenders Who Failed Supervision.                                                                                 
         · See self as no risk.                                                                                                 
         · Diverse victim types.                                                                                                
         · Fewer months in the community.                                                                                       
         · Access to victims.                                                                                                   
              · Containment Approach seeks to stop                                                                              
                giving offenders opportunity to offend                                                                          
                by restricting access to potential                                                                              
                victims.                                                                                                        
         · Sexual entitlement.                                                                                                  
         · Poor social influences.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:28:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 21: What Can We Learn From Sex Offenders?                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:28:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 22:  Secrets Revealed. Polygraph  research at  the Colorado                                                               
DOC comparing court information v. polygraph.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:32:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide  23:  Polygraph Research  at  the  Colorado DOC.  Comparing                                                               
Court Information v. polygraph.                                                                                                 
   · Admissions of hands-on crossover offending.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:35:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 24: Current Conviction Crime: Incest.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:37:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 25: Average Age of Onset.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:39:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 26: Average Lag Time in Detection.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:40:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ENGLISH recapped:                                                                                                           
     We're very  concerned about victims  and the  fact that                                                                    
     this is very secret  and shameful and harmful behavior.                                                                    
     When we have  a lot of information  we're best equipped                                                                    
     to help  manage each individual offender.  With the web                                                                    
     of policies  in an individualized treatment  plan based                                                                    
     on information that you could get from the polygraph.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:41:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON wondered  whether the  success of  the containment                                                               
program is predicated on therapy during incarceration.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ENGLISH responded  some Colorado  prison data  suggests that                                                               
treatment  while in  prison is  hugely beneficial.  However, when                                                               
released   offenders  must   have   supervision,  treatment   and                                                               
containment in the community.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Huggins  asked  about   the  sex  offender  registration                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms English said that registration  has become commingled with sex                                                               
offender  notification.  Sex  offender registration  began  as  a                                                               
requirement  so  that   law  enforcement  could  use   it  as  an                                                               
investigation  tool.   After  the  Megan  Kanka   case  community                                                               
notification was established and  ultimately the two were linked.                                                               
Access  to the  information  is  public as  opposed  to just  law                                                               
enforcement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins said it sounded as  though she was saying that by                                                               
commingling the  processes the effectiveness  of one or  both are                                                               
reduced.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked what the answer would be for Megan.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English described the case  and said the offender should have                                                               
been  in prison  at  the time  of the  crime.  He wasn't  because                                                               
someone  wasn't  paying attention  and  allowed  the offender  to                                                               
plead down a serious sexual assault.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins offered  the opinion that pleading  down is alive                                                               
and well.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English said there are a lot  of reasons why it's a good idea                                                               
to plead down, but serious sex crimes shouldn't be included.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:48:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF JENKS, President  of Amich and Jenks Inc.,  a polygraph firm                                                               
in Colorado,  introduced himself  and described  his professional                                                               
background.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:52:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 27: How Does the Polygraph Work?                                                                                          
   · Fear of detection.                                                                                                         
   · Fight of flight response kicks in.                                                                                         
   · Autonomic nervous system.                                                                                                  
   · Polygraph responses.                                                                                                       
   · Computerized scoring/manual scoring.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:53:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 16: Accuracy of the Polygraph Test.                                                                                       
   · National Academy of Sciences (2003) set median accuracy at                                                                 
     89% with a range of 70 to 99%.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton  asked if  accuracy goes  down because  some people                                                               
can always fool the system.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jenks responded that's part  of it, but usually it's examiner                                                               
fault  and  error.  The question  formulation  was  incorrect.  A                                                               
polygraph examiner  testing a  sex offender  almost has  to think                                                               
like a sex offender.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:56:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Slide 29: What happens during an exam?                                                                                          
   · Pre-test.                                                                                                                  
        ·   Review medical conditions.                                                                                          
        ·   Sign release and consent forms.                                                                                     
        ·   Explain purpose of exam.                                                                                            
        ·   Review equipment.                                                                                                   
        ·   Review terminology. Develop final questions.                                                                        
          Calibrate instrument.                                                                                                 
   · In-test.                                                                                                                   
        ·   2-4 relevant questions tucked inside 10-20                                                                          
          comparison questions.                                                                                                 
        ·   Relevant questions must be specific.                                                                                
        ·   Run 3 sets of charts.                                                                                               
        ·   Score and interpret chart markings (pen                                                                             
          tracings).                                                                                                            
   · Post-test.                                                                                                                 
        ·   Conducting an in-depth interview with examinee,                                                                     
          giving   him/her   an   opportunity   to   explain                                                                    
          deceptive findings.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Guess asked  if offenders  are asked  whether they  have                                                               
been victims.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jenks said  yes. Many report that they were  victims but some                                                               
use  that  as  an  excuse  for the  behavior  and  had  not  been                                                               
victimized.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:04:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 30: The Purposes of the PC Exams Vary.                                                                                    
   · Sex History: Obtain information on past victims and past                                                                   
     methods used to access those victims. Need to know age of                                                                  
     onset, frequency, extent of crossover behavior.                                                                            
   · Specific Issue: Offender may be in denial about the                                                                        
     crime...or may be facing a new accusation...or may have                                                                    
     failed a recent examination...                                                                                             
   · Maintenance: Check out assault patterns and behaviors                                                                      
     regarding supervision conditions. Looking for precursor                                                                    
     behaviors.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:05:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 31: Sex History Exam.                                                                                                     
   · Types of past victims (gender, age, relationship).                                                                         
   · Frequency of assaults.                                                                                                     
   · Types of behaviors (voyeurism, rape, child molesting,                                                                      
     internet).                                                                                                                 
   · Modus operandi.                                                                                                            
        ·   Did they get friendly with parent?                                                                                  
        ·   Go to church to find single, exhausted moms?                                                                        
        ·   Always engaged in obscene phone calls before                                                                        
          rape?                                                                                                                 
        ·   Lured child with puppy?                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:05:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 32: Specific Issue Exam.                                                                                                  
   · Used when offender is denying offense or significant                                                                       
     aspects of the offense.                                                                                                    
   · Used when there is an allegation.                                                                                          
   · Used to clear up a past deceptive test.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:07:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 33: Monitoring Polygraph.                                                                                                 
   · To monitor problem behavior...                                                                                             
   · Since entering treatment.                                                                                                  
        ·   While on probation/parole.                                                                                          
        ·   Since the last polygraph exam.                                                                                      
        ·   Conducted every 3-6 months.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide 34 Monitoring Testing.                                                                                                    
   · Provides information on whether the offender is changing                                                                   
     his lifestyle and applying what they are learning in                                                                       
     treatment.                                                                                                                 
   · Provides information on whether he is continuing to engage                                                                 
     in high-risk behaviors.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:08:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 35: Specific Issue Tests Are Used to Clarify Risk                                                                         
Concerns.                                                                                                                       
   · A specific-issue exam should be scheduled when concerns                                                                    
     persist even after increasing surveillance.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:08:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 36: Polygraph as a Deterrent.                                                                                             
   · Abrams and Ogard, 1986.                                                                                                    
   · Studied the deterrent effect of polygraph on offenders on                                                                  
     probation:                                                                                                                 
        ·   Supervision with polygraph - 69% successful                                                                         
          compliance with probation.                                                                                            
        ·   Supervision without polygraph - 26% successful                                                                      
          compliance with probation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Slide 37: Only 2-4 Questions Allowed.                                                                                           
   · No surprise or trick questions.                                                                                            
   · Questions must focus on behaviors.                                                                                         
        ·   No mental state questions.                                                                                          
        ·   No intent questions.                                                                                                
   · No emotionally laden language.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:09:32 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 38: Examiner Qualifications.                                                                                              
   · Graduated from APA accredited polygraph school.                                                                            
   · Colorado Standards: Minimum of 150 criminal issue exams.                                                                   
   · Minimum of 50 clinical exams in 12-month period.                                                                           
   · 40 hours of specialized training every 3 years.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:10:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 39: Implementation Considerations.                                                                                        
   · Develop procedures                                                                                                         
   · Educate therapists.                                                                                                        
   · Develop sex history questionnaires.                                                                                        
   · Set examiner qualifications and requirements.                                                                              
   · Videotape exams.                                                                                                           
   · Develop system to track and use results.                                                                                   
   · Educate stakeholders.                                                                                                      
   · Develop consequences.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:11:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide   40:  Summary:   Value  of   Polygraph  Testing   in  Risk                                                               
Assessment.                                                                                                                     
   · Increase information on past offenses.                                                                                     
   · Evaluates treatment effectiveness/compliance.                                                                              
   · Evaluates risk of child contact.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked if polygraphs  are given  at the end  of a                                                               
probationary period.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS responded the exams start shortly after treatment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS expressed skepticism  regarding what might happen                                                               
when the offender is off probation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS  said many sex  offenders are on  lifetime supervision,                                                               
but  once someone  is  off  probation and  isn't  in a  treatment                                                               
program  you don't  know unless  they voluntarily  submit to  the                                                               
polygraphs. Some do that.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  asked if there  are centralized test  locations in                                                               
Colorado and how far probationers might  have to travel to take a                                                               
test.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS  replied Colorado has  about 25 sex  offender polygraph                                                               
examiners  spread  over  the  state. The  rural  areas  are  more                                                               
difficult to access,  but the examiners still visit  on a regular                                                               
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEEKINS asked how much time a test takes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JENKS responded 90 minutes to 2 hours.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:15:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PEGGY  HEIL, Colorado  Prison Therapist,  said she  would discuss                                                               
the role of treatment in the containment model.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:16:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 41:  Polygraph testing should  never be used  in isolation.                                                               
Multiple methods should always be used.                                                                                         
   · Polygraph + treatment equals more information than                                                                         
     polygraph or treatment alone.                                                                                              
   ·                                                                                                                            
10:17:28 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 42: Options for Processing Information on Past Crimes.                                                                    
   · No immunity.                                                                                                               
   · Sentencing limitations.                                                                                                    
   · Limited immunity.                                                                                                          
   · Full Immunity.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GUESS asked about immunity and outreach to victims.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HEIL said getting outreach services to children can be                                                                      
beneficial, but adult victims may see it as an intrusion.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:20:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 43: Value of Treatment: Public Safety.                                                                                    
   · Teach offenders lifestyle changes.                                                                                         
   · Determine offending patterns of specific offenders.                                                                        
   · General knowledge of sex offenses.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:23:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 44: Admitted # of Sex Crime Victims.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:25:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 45: Sex Offender Treatment.                                                                                               
   · Offense specific.                                                                                                          
        ·   Non-trust    basis/external   verification    of                                                                    
          statements.                                                                                                           
        ·   Verify changes in behavior.                                                                                         
        ·   Client's responsibility to change.                                                                                  
        ·   Client has choices.                                                                                                 
        ·   Consequences if directives are not followed.                                                                        
        ·   Focus on present.                                                                                                   
        ·   Limited confidentiality.                                                                                            
        ·   Behavior change required.                                                                                           
   · Traditional therapy                                                                                                        
        ·   Accept client statements as truth.                                                                                  
        ·   Client has choice to change.                                                                                        
       ·   Non-judgment and supportive of client choices.                                                                       
        ·   No consequences for choices.                                                                                        
        ·   Focus on insight regarding the past.                                                                                
        ·   Complete confidentiality.                                                                                           
        ·   No change required.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:28:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 46: In Colorado - "The client is the community."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:28:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 47: Does Sex Offender Treatment Work?                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:30:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 48: Intensity and length of treatment had a measurable                                                                    
effect on outcome.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:32:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 49: Parole Outcomes 1993-2002.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:33:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 50: Violent Arrest at 1 year.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:34:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 51: Success is in the combination of prison and community                                                                 
containment.                                                                                                                    
   · After 2000 days, 40% of sex offenders receiving only prison                                                                
     treatment failed.                                                                                                          
   · After 2000 days, 15% of sex offenders receiving prison                                                                     
     treatment and community treatment and supervision failed.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:34:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Slide 52: Where will sex offenders live after their release from                                                                
prison?                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Slide 53: Research Regarding Living Arrangements.                                                                               
   · Sex offender probationers living with their families in                                                                    
     Denver were more likely to have a criminal & technical                                                                     
     violation than those living in other types of residences.                                                                  
   · For high-risk offenders, those with no support and living                                                                  
     with a family member or friends had the highest numbers of                                                                 
     violations.                                                                                                                
   · Living with a family member or friends does not necessarily                                                                
     mean that he or she is living in a supportive or healthy                                                                   
     environment.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Slide 54: Research Regarding Living Arrangements.                                                                               
   · Those who had support in their lives had significantly                                                                     
     lower numbers of violations than those who had negative or                                                                 
     no support.                                                                                                                
   · Recommendation - Efforts should be made to ensure that the                                                                 
     sex offender's support is positive in order to aid in his                                                                  
     or her treatment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:36:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER remarked families  should receive training before                                                               
a sex offender moves back into the home.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HEIL agreed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked about a doubled rate of recidivism.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. HEIL said  this particular population has  very ingrained and                                                               
secretive  behavior and  the  extra  accountability measures  are                                                               
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked about neutering.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. HEIL  said a  number of castration  studies come  from Sweden                                                               
and the  recidivism rates were  low. The programs  were voluntary                                                               
and she suggested the volunteers  were likely distressed by their                                                               
own behavior.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Medications are  available that  chemically castrate  by reducing                                                               
testosterone.  Findings indicate  that  spontaneous thoughts  are                                                               
reduced, but when  confronted by a potential  victim the behavior                                                               
overrides the  medication. "It's not  just a sexual  drive that's                                                               
causing this behavior.  There are many other  motivations for why                                                               
they're engaging."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Some medications  that appear as  though they may be  helpful are                                                               
actually anti-depressants. They  are selective serotonin reuptake                                                               
inhibitors.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Castrated individuals do molest and can have a sexual response.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business to come before the joint                                                                        
committee, Chair Seekins adjourned the joint meeting at                                                                         
10:40:19 AM .                                                                                                                 

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